So, we are basing this ficticious Association on those with "Hills" in their name now??? Pendo and Winston although having Hills in their names are pretty firmly entrenched in the Parramatta Council area. Winsto are based in Parra Council and use 1 Hills field as an overflow and Pendo arent even close. Perhaps Bass Hill, Hunters Hill and Bellevue Hill might also be interested in joining!
Post by massothegamer on Apr 8, 2011 8:52:37 GMT 10
yeah I sorta wondered about that, I was under the impression that Winsto and Pendo were def part and parcel of the GDSFA, but we will have to wait and see, after all we may not have a FNSW soon and all the FFA types are part of Kurringai so they won't want to loose out to Gladesville Hornsby in a boundary redraw and don't forget Peak Hill and Beacon Hill then theres Observatory Hill as well but the fields might be a bit cramped there next to the bridge but at least they could travel there on the M7 & M2 :-)
So the comedians are out - the club quoted in the newspaper article was Kellyville, I may not have got 100% in English but I can't see the word Hills in Kellyville. By the same token not too many teams have the word Granville in their name. Seriously, when HQ is put in order a boundary redraw is well overdue. Sydney has grown enormously but soccer assoc boundaries are very hap-hazard. New clubs are joining are joining associations in completely different areas of Sydney, not just Granville clubs. Eg: teams from Glenhaven and Dural play at Hunters Hill, where their neighbouring syburbs like Kellyville, Rouse Hill and Beaumont Hills travel to Lidcombe and Merrylands etc. As previously mentioned political seat boundaries are always changing to cater for population growth and demographic change. It has nothing to do with ethnic origin, being snobbish, or any other prejudice, just practicality. Teams I've been involved have had players of many faiths and origins but at the end of the day they play as a team to represent their club not an ethnic or religious group. Practical for many reasons: less councils to deal with, local competition, players are prouder to represent an area they live in and can associate with, yes travel will be easier, easier to obtain local sponsors that identify with an area, need I go on.....
I am the journalist who wrote the article in the Hills Shire Times and Rouse Hill Times.
A few things I would like to point out.
1. At no point in speaking to the eleven Hills-based Granville clubs did any of them express any complaints or concerns with the way the Granville association is being run, or with any of the teams in Granville.
2. One of the clubs I spoke to said that they have had teams from the South not show up to games. This is more common in the younger ages.
3. Another club I spoke to said that numbers have been declining considerably, around the under 10s and under 11s. Parents are no longer willing to spend more time travelling to and from games than the kids actually get to play.
4. This is simply an idea. I chose to pursue the issue after speaking to some people associated with the clubs. I gauged interest via the survey and only went ahead with the story once I realised the clubs actually wanted this. This idea is in its extreme infancy, nothing has been formalised.
Some of the allegations I've seen thrown around on this forum are quite unjustified. To suggest that Hills clubs have some problem with the cultural backgrounds of the Southern clubs is off the mark.
The Hills is a culturally diverse area. Look at the surnames on any of the team sheets.
Obviously re-drawing the boundaries would have implications across the state, we're not denying that fact.
Some clubs have expressed the desire to thrash out and discuss the issue at a public forum. If you or your club would be interested in attending a public forum, or discussing the issue further, feel free to email me, firstname.lastname@example.org
Also, to see the results of the survey, check out the original article as it appeared in the Rouse Hill Times
Come on guys did anyone ever say Hills Shire Council as the basis for the association. Well maybe but I think that is a bit narrow minded and not the yardstick normally used. I agree Pendo is a bit of a stretch but someone mentioned them as a possibility earlier in the thread. Winston Hills is and always has been part of the Hills region. In fact it starts in Nth Parra and extends to St Albans. From memory the boundaries are Pennant Hills Rd till it joins Old Northern road then up to Wisemans Ferry. So Northmead,Nth Rocks and up through West Pennant Hills to Dural, Glenorie Maroota etc. On the other side everything East of Windsor Rd then Cattai Rd up to Wisemans Ferry and St Albans. I am not suggesting that as the boundary for a football association but that is what is defined as "the Hills"
well I'd have to say that until the mess is sorted out at FNSW there won't be a lot happening and while I understand that boundaries where drawn up some time ago it's my understanding that nothing would happen until at least 2015 so have some patience and see what happens with the shake up at FNSW you may get your wish sooner but sometimes you need to be careful what you wish for.
No one suggested that Pendle Hill be included in the Hills Association. They are not part of the Hills area by any stretch of the imagination.
I don't know where this came from. Here is the list of the clubs surveyed.
FOR Baulkham Hills FC Beaumont Hills Lady Hawks Carlingford United FC Castle Hill RSL Rockets Castle Hill United FC Dural United Sports Glenhaven Sporting Club Hills Brumbies Kellyville Kolts SC North Rocks SC Norwest Soccer Redfield Lions FC Rouse Hill Rams Sports St Michaels Knights
AGAINST Kenthurst and District SC
UNDECIDED Hills Hawks FC Pennant Hills SC
NO COMMENT Pacific Hills Dural SC West Pennant Hills Cherrybrook SC Winston Hills
well I think we all need to take a bex and have a good lie down. the 2011 comp starts tomorrow and perhaps at the end of the season it can be raised again but in the meantime lets get on with what we have and enjoy it. In the scheme of things arguments about ffotball boundaries are really just cosmetic, after all our kids get to play organised football in a safe environment unlike a lot of others around the world. I am sure the boundaries will change one day but as I said previously FNSW have a lot of other things on their minds at the moment
Check the competiton results from last year and see how many Lidcombe or Auburn clubs forfeited (or didnt show up as you put it) against Rams last season. 1x 9/5 and 1x 10/6, these same teams travelled to CHU, CHRSL etc so Im guessing it would be more to do with lack ofnumbers rather than travel. Coinicdentally rams forfeited 2x junior games as well and 4 Snr games, it happens. Travel is not a factor here. Would have been easy enough to verify this but dont let the truth get in the way of a good story. More common in the younger ages you say, well the younger ages are in clusters based on local geography!!!
Are numbers really declining in this 10/11 age group? Where did this stat come from? Any (if any)decline would have much more to do with rego fees (now theres a real story) or pressure from Aussie Rules and other sports than travel distance.
Love Rams comments about Wenty bet they are glad he spoke on that Clubs behalf! Love Beaumont Hills supporting it, they begged to come to GDSFA to form reps as a pathway for GDSFA girls!!! So now they have the girls they want to leave? Is it any wonder this 'super development club' now only has one junior team.
The List of Clubs supporting is interesting. Kellyville has already mentioned this is his personal opinion and not the opinion of his Club. I wonder how many more of these "Clubs supporting" actually have taken this to their members, Id reckon NONE.
I should clarify, I actually have no opposition to this happening as part of a redistibution of boundaires but articles like this from story tellers and other ill informed people dont add anything to the argument for either side at all.
I have read this topic with amusement over the past few days and thought that I might as well add my two bobs worth:
Obviuosly a Hills District comp has been mooted many times but has failed to get off the ground. Why? Related in part to boundary redistribution difficulties and the fact that generally the people raising it aren't prepared to do the hard yards to make it a reality.
As for some of the comments on here re different cultural backgrounds etc there is no hiding from the fact that there are numerous people out there for whom this is the reason. Anyone who denies that hasn't listened very carefully when out and about in Granville Association.
As for the comments by the Author of the article I would only offer that Alex seems a bit annoyed that anyone would dare to have a different view to him and his extensive survey. In addition I find it offensive that he refers to the teams he thinks should not be playing hills clubs as 'Southern Club's'. I would point out that similar to the Hills Clubs - we all live in the West.
I also found it amusing that he mentions that southern clubs do not turn up for games. What a nonsense. Why don't you survey granville alex and see which club provides the most forfeits. I think you will be surprised.
Putting aside all the above the greatest problem that I would have with a Hills District being formed is the impact it would have on the Girls and Ladies comps in Granville. Granville has put more effort in building this structure than most other associations and to rip it in two after so many years of progress would be a dam shame.
Why is everyone who is against this idea think the GDSFA will loose out even though no details has been discussed. One thing is certain the current association is not big enough to simply split it into two. There has to be a boundary redistribution. And if this is done properly then the clubs on the south of parra road should benefit from it.
Oh and I stand by my comment that if there is a hills district then about 75% of it will be within the Hills shire and the other 25% will be from Parramatta and Hornsby.
#9, There was no denying in the existence of those people but the way some of the posts were put here were as if to say that One Nation represented the views of the whole of Australia
Hills district is not necessarily the hills shire or vice verse. The shire was only renamed a couple of years ago. Before that it was called Baulkham Hills Shire. Even then the thought was the new association will be "hills based" not "baulkham hills based".
I'm not tieing the new association to the council but to a geographical area which mostly falls within a council boundary.
We are not trying to play we words here (or at least I'm not). Just weighing the merits of the argument.
For the record i'm happy if things stay the same but i think a hills comp has some merit. As for which club or teams i think should be in there, i think you know, more or less, the answer to it so no need to list them.