Really I get what you mean about doing what you want .lets see rydelmere and auburn on more then once have just walk of the field because they were losing a soccer game. And guess what happen to them? That's right nothing at all. How many time have you heard of a referee been attack by baulked or kellyville. Don't get your calculator out because it's 0.
3 of your top 4 teams in perms now are hills team.not bad as there is only 3 clubs in the hills have prems.
For the hills teams that decide to go back to Granville because football nsw and gdsfa have bullied you good luck and please do not whinge about them again when you sook about them. I for one have had enough and am having nothing to do with prems anymore keep walking off and and show disrespect to gdsfa by doing what you want when you want things will not change that I can promise you . If the hills comp gets up and running yes it will start smaller but it will be better and you will be a part of history.do not be bullied by big brother, if it doesn't good luck to you and please don't whinge when you realise nothing has changed
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Some of the garbage posted on here is why I rarely waste my time anymore.
I like your U14 team for 2015. Not sure what pocket you pulled those teams from or why you have selected the teams you have but grading is pretty easy.
Interesting to review the twenty fourteen competition teams on CompMan from U12's and older for both female and male with 256 teams being from the Hills region and 270 teams being from Parra, Auburn and Holroyd areas. These figures include Winsto and Rocks in the Hills count.
Also interesting to see that Blacktown, Bankstown, Canterbury, St George, Eastern Suburbs, Manly, Macarthur, Sutherland and Central Coast Associations have between 20 and 25 clubs each and have no problem running a competition whilst GDSFA and GHFA have 35 and 34 clubs respectively.
I would suggest the impact of a new Hills Association will have less impact on the GDSFA and GHFA competition than what people think.
IIRC from my time on the GDSFA MC FNSW had always proposed a redraw of boundaries in 2017/18 anyway.
It seems some hills people have a selective viewing problem, the boundary of Hills council includes Wisemans Ferry so the travel distance from Baulko to Ferry is about 53 km's I believe. But if it happens it happens, to be honest I guess that the finals series will be based on the highest placed teams playing their finals at home given the motion at the GDSFA AGM.
Having witnessed first hand the stupidity of some Hills parents in their dealings with teams from this neck of the woods I do honestly believe the rascism card is being played by some. Over the years both my boys have played on teams with a bunch of kids from a wide variety of ethnic backgrounds, the kids don't have problems, but some parents seem to. When my youngests team played at a Hills club in U14's the vitriolic language coming from some Hills parents was shameful and disgusting, but small minded people are just that, extremely small minded. What they need to realise is that that is life these days, I wonder what they would ever do if they found themselves having to report at work to someone from one of the backgrounds they so despise on the football field. I do believe some of them actually need to have a serious look in the mirror.
Anyway it will happen one day, but be careful what you wish for because most of the time it ends up biting you in the bum big time
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Post by sparky1908 on Nov 30, 2014 22:32:03 GMT 10
Refsdad At the SHFA meetings they talk about local community, local identity, local football and local development. You bring up racism. What is your agenda? Is it a case of throw enough mud some might stick? Or are you part of the mob that bought Parra FC and need to make sure it remains funded? There are over 10000 players in the Hills area and that number is growing. That is why people want a Hills Association.
Yes I was there at the time but I quit in 2011 I think it was for a few reasons, the cost to players in Granville was one of them amongst others.
Not a case of throwing mud, why can't people admit it is one of the reasons, that's what gets me, be honest about it,. The underhanded way it has been approached also gets me, ie not inviting GDSFA and GHSFA to meetings with FNSW, getting a politican involved, sport should be above politics, I wonder what the payback will be if it gets up, have you thought about that. And who is going to run it for you
refsdad im not sure if you have been around the likes of castle hill,kellyville,RSL,baulko,or winto but there is not just kids running around with blue eyes and blonde hair. and im pretty sure most of us have worked or is working for someone that speak more the one language
its people like you that keep bringing up this race BS and to be honest it is no doubt you that has a problem with others
you all need to pull your heads in and just let whats going to happen happen. It will not happen next year but moving forward onto 2016 when it will happen
and I don't know if you have drove out to wiseman ferry its a beautiful drive and no traffic once a year V driving through Parramatta on a lunch time with more traffic then New York city
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The reason this started without GDSFA and GHFA is purely because it was started by someone not involved in any club. As we found out both those organisations don't want to entertain any new association anyway. The governing body needs to act. The politician is just trying to help. Having lived in the area for a number of years I'm pretty sure he will not need to get a football association up and running to get re elected. This is probably just a distraction. Racism seems to be on your mind but not ours. Why is it so difficult to believe this is just a local issue?
Speaking from personal experience the div I was involved with had 8 Granville based teams and 2 hills based teams. It's my opinion that this hills association has nothing to do with bacon on bbqs or differences in culture but instead is based on travel which for us was a minimum 35-40 min trip and the fact that they believe they could run and operate a better more fluent association. We at best had 5 games refereed last season and from what I learned teams we were playing against had been red flagged by the gdsfra so unfortunately we missed out also. There's no doubt that with the money available and resources that the hills association has the potential to be a strong and competitive association. This has nothing to do with not playing against Granville based teams if anything it's about setting up a new format that would compete independently against Granville based teams. It's going to happen its just a question of when.
It will be interesting to see who from the Hills clubs that are pushing this, particularly CHU and Baulko will put up their hand to run your Hills Association. After all in the 17 years I have been attending GDSFA meetings, including 3 on the MC as it was then ! I cannot recall anyone from these 2 clubs being involved in the running of GDSFA, sure there have been plenty of knockers, but none who would actually step up and get involved. In that time I can only think of 3 people involved in the MC or Board, and only 1 of them that has spent more than 32 years on the committee, so good luck with that side of things. It maybe that once they do see what is involved, and the time needed away from their family that there is a sudden cooling of passion, but at this point in time it remains a mystery. My advice to them for what it is worth is get involved with the GDSFA board for at least a year, see what is needed, and in the mean time learn the ropes, it ain't all beer and skittles as the GM and Board will tell you
There are nine GDSFA clubs pushing this not just two. Maybe when people don't have to travel to the southern extreme of the association and get to do something for their own local community they will step up. But thank you for your best wishes.
refsdad well, there looks for some reason you don't know what you are talking about once again. FYI all clubs have put their hands up in the meetings but half want to be sanctioned which we all respect.
people don't want to be on the board for the same reason they don't want to drive to either auburn soccer club or melita stadium for their meetings. to far. instead they will have it at castle hill RSL club with a dinner, yum
just so you know the people have already stepped up and working well together, you are looking silly on here as its already happen from all clubs but well done for trying. I really hope you will be ok when its up and running. but keep on bashing it as it might go away.
the funning thing is nsw now have excepted the fact that the boundary's need to be redone so another strike in your shorts.
I will not tell you everything that has happen because im enjoying your story's on here and in a few years time we can come back to them and touch base. so back to you mate
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Sounds a lot like people have something to lose??? It's sounds passionate but very very desperate.
I understand why. People (like Really and Refsdad) feel like something that they believe in , or have helped create is being taken away from them or changed for the worse.
Personally I respect the history of the GDSA however for a collective movement like this it really does speak volumes. There is clearly a product issue and I would suggest that 'the product' has been broken for a long time.
I am with the incumbents and believe that the travel is a complete Cop-out but the facts still remain that the product that GDSA offers currently is broken, thus people wanting change.
I played the majority of my 30+ years football under the GDSA banner (2 of these years only with a Hills based club) but do I want the same for my son or daughter? NO WAY! Not in it's current format and not when other associations have a far superior product offering (IMEO).
I think you will find that this a consistent opinion from many past, present and future players and parents of players. It has to be otherwise we would not have this movement.
It's time for change and if doesn't occur through the correct formats and protocol it will occur by player movement away from Hills based clubs (and others clubs close to boundaries like Dundas and Toongabbie) into other association based clubs or in fact completely other sports. (The scary part is this has been happening for years and mark my words it will spiral out of control if no action is taken by FNSW following this latest movement).
Fair enough if people are already stepping up, having been there I wish them all the best, I just hope they realise what they are getting themselves in for.
The fact that there has been no communication with the other clubs in GDSFA has no doubt contributed to the misinformation, after all no-one has said anything at the general meetings this year and I am interested in how and why the Hills clubs feel that GDSFA is broken, no doubt some of that will come out in the Strategic Forum tomorrow, and I guess the attempted by law changes at the AGM may have been an indication.
I still think that the travel thing is a bit if a furphy, after all as a kid playing in the bush we travelled a lot further in crappier cars on some really crappy roads, but if you sell it loud and long enough it will get be taken as the truth, a bit like politics, oh that's right it's being driven in part by a couple of pollies, and given their standing I wouldn't have too much faith in them.
Unfortunately I was unable to get to the meeting at FNSW last week, but as I understand it FNSW indicated it wouldn't happen next year, does this mean some clubs will break away and play in an unsanctioned comp next, I hope not as that will be bad for the game all round. I see that the idea of a north and south conference is on the agenda for tomorrow, if it can work well so that there are not too many lopsided comps then I would be happy with that, but if it leaves some comps in some age groups lopsided that will also drive kids away if they are getting flogged each week.
I do have a concern that the Tele has been used as a means of trumpeting concerns, after all they generally go out of their way to put the boot into our game as much as they can given that they are one of the three life support mechanisms for rugby league and whatever they can do to belittle our game they will do. This has been recognised I think by the Asian Cup organising committee as it was mentioned at the volunteer training last week that we need to provide only good stories coming out of the Asian Cup next month, but that's a whole different story, and I am sure they will come back at same stage in the future and present the new association as a schism in our game.
And that's the nub of it, it is our game, I am just worried that while some people may think that what they are doing is for the good of the game, coming up with stories that people will leave is another furphy, FFA and FNSW need to look at themselves and realise that compared to other codes the cost of football is one of the biggest killers, I mean what other codes charge their grassroots players to pay for the national team. If FFA were fair dinkum they would drop the levy on juniors, and possibly seniors as well, it was brought in to help cover the costs of the 2006 World Cup, but surely by now they have enough sponsors on board that they can drop it. Some clubs find it difficult to compete with League and AFL on a cost basis given the pokie revenues and TV rights that get spread downwards to grassroots, but I digress from the topic at hand and just hope that the code doesn't suffer because of adverse publicity and also the whims of politicians.
This is being considered for a lot of reason. Those reasons vary from person to person and from club to club. I have enormous difficulty thinking it is likely that all the management of all the clubs involved are all so racist they've been able to hoodwink everyone into following their lead.
It just does not compute!
When it all boils down it really is just like every kid who grows up and leaves home at some point. There is always the question of whether or not they are ready to face adult responsibilities now, or should wait a little while. There is always some pain involved for all parties. But it is a natural thing and name calling and personal attacks don't help, and will only make it happen sooner.
I think the variety of reasons include: distance, wanting to try and do it better, the hope that dealing with one council will get a better deal on grounds, (including defending them from other sports), and a sense of identity that people in the Hills have that they are ......in the Hills! Their own association can be part of this.
Whether or not the time is right, and even if it should happen at all are big questions and require careful consideration. Everyone, including politicians, have their own agenda. I'd like to see a solid business case put together which detailed the reasons for the proposed move, the alternatives, challenges and possible solutions. In other words, "ready, aim, fire". At the moment it looks like "ready, fire, aim" to me.
Whatever the reasons (and since no one has published them your guess is as good as mine)if a separate association is the solution I know the club I'm with will only support it if GDSFA remains viable.
So save your abuse, save your breath and your respective blood pressures. Let's get some real dialogue on what the issues are which this is the supposed solution to. Then we can consider all alternative solutions.