Let me ask you this.....what happens to the rest of the clubs in the Association?
They play in the GDSFA comp. Are you saying that without the Hills teams the assoc won't be viable? Due to what, numbers? Money? Competition? What?
What is the issue with being smaller? Pretty sure if you ask those that will still be in GDSFA if they care about the Hills comp they'd say "naff off then" (as Tangy has intimated)
Tangy - we sign up because it is the only option. Now it isn't. My whinge about GDSFA is the lack of communication (the website and weeks 3 and 4 washout being prime examples), the ridiculous nature of the insurance cover (or lack thereof) and the pathetic coverage of refs. Is there a boat load of stuff behind the scenes that most don't see? Absolutely. The scheduling of fixtures is an enormous task and runs smoothly every year (although it does seem to be left to the last minute each year), the disciplinary committee works.
Will Hills be any better? Don't know, but I'm up for giving it a shot.
The issue with being smaller is that the competitions will be ridiculously lop-sided, on both sides of Old Windsor Road.
Women's competition will be essentially decimated.
Premier Leagues will be very weak and with a massive gap in quality from top to bottom.
Many agree with your sentiments to "let them go if they want to go", but not to the detriment of the competitions that will be left behind, on both sides of the border.
Liitleted, you may have a point, but didn't that happen when GDSFA (and any other assoc.) was first formed? Won't it even out/become the norm overtime anyway (as it did when GDSFA formed)?
I really wish this was the reason GDSFA are fighting so hard to maintain the status quo, but I fear it is for other reasons. Wouldn't expect them to support, but to out and out block (the suggested shenanigans re the refs association which I've heard whispers about, if true, is pathetic) does no one any good
If clubs want to leave, then wave them goodbye. FNSW will make a decision and the Hills can decide to be rebel or not (if they need to)
Let me first say that personally not for or against a Hills Association but am a supporter of all approvals being sorted as early as possible.
One thing I will say in relation to the comments here however is that - Stopper the insurance is not Granville's problem but Football NSW's problem. Only way you will escape that one is to be an Independent Soccer Association
My issue is that initially it will create lopsided competitions which is unfortunate for our junior football players. Whilst it will affect all it will be much more prevalent in the girls/women's competitions.
From a selfish perspective, as one who has been involved in junior girls coaching for 8 years now, I would like to see both associations (if two exist next year) agree to run a combined competition for at least the girls junior competitions for next year to limit the impact. This will allow more time for each association to consider how best to deliver an effective competition structure for junior girls into the future
It is a great idea. Doubt it will get legs due to the acrimony to date. Shouldn't the women have their own assoc if the impact is so great (not judging, I have no idea how it will impact the women, genuine thought). Pretty sure they'd get better outcomes managing themselves....
Fair point re the insurance. Would love to delve into the tendering process run by FNSW to procure the insurance, and what outcomes they prescribed.....
I have a done a bit of analysis on team numbers - assuming the clubs listed above go the way listed (and not including the number of teams joining for the non GDSFA clubs). I have only done U12 up to U18.
Hills Granville U12 26 24
Hills Granville U12g 9 4
Hills Granville U13 26 19
Hills Granville U14 20 25
Hills Granville U14g 11 6
Hills Granville U15 14 23
Hills Granville U16 14 14
Hills Granville U16G 9 8
Hills Granville U17 8 16
Hills Granville U18 12 8
Plenty of food for thought there.
You can see that the association stands to lose just more than half of most ages groups to the Hills (149 teams are Hills, 147 are Granville). Maybe it is just me, but that speaks volumes for why GDSFA is so opposed.
Looking at the comps, you have to say that the girls looks hardest hit. Only 4 teams in Granville for U12G. It will be interesting to see how that pans out. I will try to rest of the analysis for the other groups and post them.
Post by getexcited on Jun 18, 2015 19:47:06 GMT 10
Question for thought.
Will these changes drive incremental growth in playing numbers, or just shift boundaries and consolidate the amount of divisions and risk a few years of incorrect grading (as someone alluded to earlier)?
Has the whole change been business cased, and had rational pressure testing applied to all scenarios or is it driven purely on dissatisfaction with current way Granville being run, travel minutes, and bacon and egg rolls (kidding on that).
Change for change sake without the right risk analysis can be fatal.
I have also had a look at team numbers, based on the grading lists and including Winsto as a Granville club makes 278 teams compared with 187 Hills teams. This is for comp teams from U12 to O45's mixed and mens comp.
Number 9 - Regarding the girls / ladies comp, I believe the Sydney Hills Football Association have advised GDSFA they want to work with them and would be happy to run a shared competition for girls / ladies across both associations due to the lower than desired numbers. The SHFA have a ladies sub-committee with the primary focus being on growing the numbers of girls / ladies in the game.
Probably also worth mentioning the amount of clubs in some of the other associations:-
So.......weak pathetic comps.....glad we all agree
Yes. Even if it is as bad as you predict. Bloody oath yes!
Shabby - perfectly put mate. perfect
Refs Dad - spot on. The Para FC centric issue is a large part of the issues at GDSFA. The refs assoc. another
Littleted - for the vast majority of the thousands of people who play footy at the weekend, it is about turning up and playing, not everyone plays Prems (and if you think its going to be bad in the future check out most of the under age divisions and look at the difference top to bottom as it stands, under 13/1 as an example). Those that want higher competition will find somewhere else to play. Just don't see it being as bad as you think
Post by whiteknight on Jun 19, 2015 9:54:47 GMT 10
Virtually everyone agrees that FNSW must urgently undertake a review of the Junior Association boundaries, as this is the only way to protect all of the associations from dramatic loss of registration numbers and maintain a competitive environment within all age groups.
It is great to see so many sharing their thoughts on this post, but it's time we applied real pressure to FNSW to get this project moving, as I know it is not even on their radar at the moment.
Why not do as I have done & email your concerns to firstname.lastname@example.org
If FNSW change some boundaries, it would be the hills comp taking the risk, let me say it again, nobody wants to see GDSFA fall over, they want to see FNSW act in a proactive manner and make some long overdue boundary changes due to geographical population shift.
Wow it's taken years but I finally agree with something shabby has said.
In the past I was very critical in the establishment of the Hills Association but after witnessing the root problems, its a no brainer to split Granville. Coached a junior team this year we had major issues with travel.
The region is a totally different demographic where parents work two or three jobs to get by (not saying others don't) and they just don't have the time to drive 45min - 1hour from Parramatta to Kellyville or Rouse Hill meaning most of the boys cant make the games (I only have one spare room in the car).
My suggestion is to let Baulkham Hills, Castle Hill, Winston Hills, Rouse Hills go to join Hills Hawks, Dural, Pennant Hills, Norman Hurst, Linfield, Hills Pumas and anyone else in the Hornsby association (played in this Association and we hated traveling to Norman Hurst from Ryde as an example).
Don't understand way your talking about boundaries, just identify the closes clubs to hills or Granville.
How many people are going to enjoy either flogging teams every week, or be flogged every other week?
Especially kids, seniors might put up with it because it's a more social aspect to it, even then, they might prefer to do something else with their Saturday's.
Football as a propensity to shoot itself in the foot, whichever side you're aligned to, this is the most classic example of it I've ever seen.
What business or organization strengthens by making itself smaller? Financially, competitively, developmentally, whichever way you look at it, this sport is taking a backward step by simply splitting in half.
If the biggest issue for "hills teams" is travel then I would urge Granville to restrict teams nominated for champion of Champions to those NOT in the hills because they might have to travel to compete in that competition. Hahahaha you guys need to come up with more sensible reasons for forming the hills association you all look and sound like id÷×+s. And yes I have heard all your reasons for it.