Before some of you shoot yourself in the mouth and foot any further, have a quick look back at Archer's post a few days ago. The Dundas guys have lost someone very close to all of them, not only related to some in the team, but who coached or managed them from U12, thru their P/L days and still supported them through the O35s.
So please, rethink what the competition is really about, and what is more important.
just looking at the refs for tomorrow - one has been assigned to fred catterson no.1 but not fred catterson no.2. in light of the forfeit, meaning there is no game on no.1, is he likely to be reassigned to no.2?
If CHU or Kellyville wish to play in a genuine comp where they are truly tested each week then they should head north and cross the bush to Glenhaven and play in the Gladesville Hornsby 0/35s.The standard of the comp and the courage of the teams within far exceeds what this comp has offered since its inception.These semis could be a lottery but class usually prevails so I dont think the Premiers will be a surprise to anyone when you consider how fresh they will be going into the big games.Guess who!!
Post by thebigcheese on Aug 6, 2010 17:39:15 GMT 10
I kinda understand that view but it's a pretty sad fact that Granville struggle to get teams to want to play in the top div (regardless of it being 35's) and each club should want to have Granville leading the way. At the end of the day in a year or two, maybe next season Chu will move on, K-ville will be in the bunch and some new team will head the pack and that's life. however i know my team will still turn up on a Saturday and play until we are that low in the league we get told to drop down. it may not fun losing most weeks but the beer tastes the same and it beats sitting at home. i still think teams should show up unless for some reason that can't produce 11 players. By signing up you make a commitment to your club and also to Granville. you are right Chu will probably take the GF but they paid their subs and should expect teams to show up.
Post by flaminghands on Aug 6, 2010 20:38:23 GMT 10
well some interesting discussion. we got an email today and winsto have forfeited too. old ref i comment not on what reason but gee when you are not inclined to train it is hard to get a roll on having 6 forfeits. can i say we have the MP now but it is a tad unsatisfying. some have the mp as holy grail ....not me .....but that is a matter of opinion....and perhaps this can be debated here as it has elsewhere. how do people feel?
archer, yeh gh seems alright but throw kuringai into the mix...regardless of circumstances they knocked out both kv and chu.
on the bright side, apparently parker lewis can lose!
anyway i understand stanes may have a big day tomorrow and so hope its good but not too good as i wouldnt mind seeing our bretheren live to fight another day.
Post by CaptainBayliner on Aug 6, 2010 23:50:46 GMT 10
Flaming, Your situation is not uncommon for Granville. We saw in the past teams refusing to step up to first division due to the dominance of the top team or teams at the time. When teams do become so dominant we've seen 6 team comps in some scenarios. I havent been monitoring other associations 35/1's comps so I cant comment whether or not its an issue allround. Just what is the solution remains a big question and a tough one to answer.
Granville have tried quite a few different scenarios to address the issue and no matter which way they go all seems to point to same issues in the long run. One thought that comes to my mind but really don't know how feasible it would be is for SoccerNSW to run an Elite division of over 35's which would have each district champions playing each other compiled into one competition. To play in this elite division the team would have had to qualify for C of C the previous season. Or a top 4 stay bottom 4 drop etc...
I know that at Over 35's there are still players that congregate in certain teams because they still have a big desire to be competitive hence the dominance factor. Then there are players that get bundled into 35/1's team because no one else wants to play it. Hence the gap between top and bottom teams. The thing that makes 35/1 a difficult division to deal with is the fact div 1 do have the chance to go on to represent their district in C of C where the districts pride is on the line and you would appreciate going into Div 1 or the C of C without a strong team just doesnt cut the mustard.
The top teams are in div 1 because they have set a team in an attempt to win it. Some are just there to make up the numbers. The questions could be asked would this issue still remain if the dominant teams were playing in an elite comp. Would this encourage the 2nd div sides to want to step up to 1st div. Would this also encourage a grouping of players with that big desire to be competitive to seek out the higher level elite sides thus eleviating the dominance factor.
Actually in Blacktown I have noticed a certain club/team has also been dominant for many years in their 35/1's comp. So maybe the idea is not as far fetched.
Perhaps an elite league for 35's (Possibly 45's as well) could be suggested to Jungle Jim or Lazza up at SoccerNSW. They are very open to sensible suggestions. Don't know if its a real solution but its a start.
On a side note... Something else that puzzles me is why is your nick and my nick in red whenever I come to this forum?
Post by dundasunited on Aug 7, 2010 16:19:50 GMT 10
I find the comments from TheBig#$%&%#& and the gump highly offensive and show a total lack of respect towards the life of a great Dundas prodigy and the Dundas 35 , 1s team. I could get on here and offend people anomalously, but then I would be guilty of the names that these 2 were dishing out. I also notice the word “sad” to describe their feelings on a couple of issues which I find totally out of context in the scheme of things.
Mr Hayes was a father, father in-law and father figure to most of the boys in the over 35s 1s he was also known as our 12 th man and will be dearly missed. We will lay Mr Alan Hayes to rest next Wednesday and then after that the 11 or 12 mates who have made up the Dundas team this year will regroup. Some may feel like playing footy again soon, some may not , it doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks , but if we do happen to get into the semis we would have deserved it regulary playing with 10 or the bare 11 carrying injuries.
Also the timing to bring this topic to head and slander forfeiting teams is appalling , why wasn’t it bought up last year when CHU decided to forfeit a game , I also see that Kellyville have a forfeit beside their name this year (according to the Granville website). 3 years ago Greystanes forfeited a game against St Johns because they were unwilling to go to Webbs avenue without a official ref denying Dundas a chance of making the semi’s. Well said Old Ref “rethink what the competition is really about, and what is more important”
RIP MR Hayes and may those words never be used to describe a Dundas team ever again. I will wear the number 16 with pride next week and the week after until our run is over.
Ville didnt forfeit against castle hill wht,played a div 3 player as we were strugling,i didnt know there was a cut off for playing borrowed players,he had his card/number etc so all above board,just a mistake by me,funnything is we didnt even need him as 2 lads turned up at half time
pretty even match overall, without much goalmouth action at either end to report, except for one chu goal ruled out for offside, which nobody debated seeing as there were 3 chu players in the 6 yard box with only the greystanes 'keeper.
much more was riding on yesterday's game than we knew - thanks notworthy! greystanes already thought we had a semi spot sewn up before kick-off. with this new info, we actually needed the draw to guarantee that spot. why do you think we only played against you with 9 men, notworthy!!! stupid cut off date rule.
also means chu wht still very much alive with one game to go.
Post by harry gwopler on Aug 9, 2010 6:56:25 GMT 10
I was talking to a mate of mine from CHU last night and their is talk in the camp that they will forfeit this weekend against the mighty stanes. Apparently no need to play and risk injury to players prior to the semi's.
Old ref and Dundasunited - fair enough for the weekends forfeit. Understandable. Our gripe is that it isn't the first forfeit this season - and not for Dundas either. So please put our comments into context and don't make it out that we've made the comments as a personal attack on the well loved Mr Hayes. Forfeits have been rife in the 1's these past 3 seasons. Extenuating circumstances not withstood - but I can be quite certain in saying that the Dundas forfeit on the weekend is the only one that was fair dinkum.
Old ref - no you didn't. Dundas - everytime a team forfeits, this forum is filled with people venting their feelings so don't feel that you and your side have been unfairly targeted or singled out. In fact you could find the same comments going back to your first forfeit this year. Please take the emotions of your and your clubs sad loss out of the equation, no body on here is questioning that. I apologise if it has seemed that way, it was certainly not my intention, nor was it my intention to downplay your reasons for the weekends forfeit.
Guys - Vale Mr Hayes but wouldn't it be better to play and wear a black armband and have a minutes silence...
Not having a go about this forfeit but funnily enough, the last forfeit was against CHU on the Saturday as too many players had gone away for the weekend but suddenly 14 turned up at 3pm on Monday for a catch up against us.
Post by thebigcheese on Aug 9, 2010 20:49:21 GMT 10
Old Ref & Dundas Utd.
I second Gumps words and United if you took offence i'm sorry, my comments were not meant to single out Dundas over 1 game. The comments were made about 3 teams and a number of games forfeited and my thoughts on how teams should be expected to show up if they can get 11 players together. I understand the emotion involved but honestly you've turned a general comment into a personal attack and it's not the case.
Anyway finals are around the corner and maybe time to take this forum in a more positive direction??
Post by dundasunited on Aug 10, 2010 8:19:03 GMT 10
Apology accepted that this was not a personal attack just your broad view of all forfeiters. Still dont agree with your rant without knowing the circumstances. For a touch of Irony or karma Kellyville are officially credited with a forfeit!!! Due to that little mistake by kV looks like Dundas need to win on Saturday. If we can get 10 or 11 fit players and cannot draw on some inspiration to win we are notworthy of a place in the semis.
Post by flaminghands on Aug 10, 2010 10:12:58 GMT 10
Ok as we move on...just looking out my window where I usually see the parra stadium...it has just disapppeared behind a sheet of rain. Coming into the last round and with no chance of catch ups, probably wont take much for the pin to be pulled on this week's game I would imagine.
By the way, CHU is missing one round mound of sound. We are concerned. If anyone sees him, can they put a beer in his right hand and point him in the right direction to fred caterson.
Post by CaptainBayliner on Aug 10, 2010 11:11:39 GMT 10
The pundits are predicting the rain will dissappear tonight some time. Looking at the weather radar the rain should pass by tonight but it has a loooooong tail and hopefully the wind direction wont bring that tail into play. The rest of the week should be sunny and fine. So this weekends game should go ahead. Fingers crossed for you blokes.
With all the rain of late i'm starting to look for mud runners to back to take out this years finals.
The round mound of sound was last seen bobbing in a rather large puddle of water next to caterson. I hear they have engaged the stranded whale rescue team to bring him a shore and will use the sydney cricket ground water sopper to dry him out.