Post by CaptainBayliner on Jun 28, 2010 21:00:24 GMT 10
I can remember back to my playing days (70's-80's) I only ever played striker and we would be called offside if we were goalside of the last defender from a goal kick. This has definately changed as I understand this to be rules in both state league and local comp back then.
We could never push beyond the last defender during a goal kick otherwise we would be called offside everytime. Opposition would even use the offside trap in that scenario.
So if that was always the case then a player can go stand 10m behind the last defender or even in the oppositions box. I've never seen this in any game ever.
In fact defenders will push up and do push up to bring the strikers closer to the halfway line. So this news really has me confused compared to what many players have understood.
If it has always been then there has been a widespread misunderstanding of the rules in this country for a very long time from both players and refs/linesman.
Captain, I had a particular interest in the offside rule and had done some research. The foundation of the current laws were established in 1848 which included the offside rule albeit somewhat different. Goal kicks became exempt in 1866. Corner kicks became exempt in 1882 and throw ins became exempt in 1921.
I’m guessing the only reason forwards don’t stay that far into the opposition half is that not many keepers can kick the ball that far into the opposition half from a goal kick.
I can tell you from experience that offside is the lesser spread "misunderstood" rule compared to some others. I also have a particular interest in the "mine" rule
Did my refs course some 30 years ago & the rule was around then. Have tried a few times to utilise this knowledge in a match. Once called offside with official ref playing pub football in England - doh !! Most times though ball did not reach me from keeper. But once, playing 2nd grade State League in a howling wind & after asking the ref walking back on the field after half time if he was aware of the rule which he said he & his 2 linesman were the plan was set. First goal kick of the second half I walked well into the opponents half, our keeper struck the ball perfectly & with the defence standing with hands in the air on the halfway line calling out "Offside", the ball landed at my feet between the centre circle & the semi circle of the penalty box, I controlled the ball 1st touch, ran towards goal, with the confused keeper slowly coming out to close the angle, I picked my spot but changed my mind & shot wide - DOH !!
Post by CaptainBayliner on Jul 20, 2010 12:22:06 GMT 10
leedslldo, Our keeper was 6ft 7 inches. He had no troubles finding the oppositions box from goal kicks on a calm day. I played striker state league at various levels and we always kept ourselves in what we saw as an onside position of the defence no matter what the level. Even the opposition defenders would push up to the halfway line to drag the strikers back. I've been called offside in those scenarios as a jnr and it sticks with you and every other player in your senior years as that must be the rules because the ref/linesman called it so play that way.
In a nutshell bad refereeing and bad coaching brought this train of thought about. I've never seen a coach yet tell his strikers to go stand 10-20 metres behind the opposition defence during a goal kick. I'm sure a lot of players from my generation were very surprised to find out otherwise. Myself as recently as the last world cup.
Post by nextgenref on Jul 20, 2010 13:56:37 GMT 10
why blame the ref and/or the coach the LOTG are free on the web for anyone to view and really anyone who wants to play football should read them so they themselvs know what is there and what isnt, and it would save us refs alot of arguments with players/coaches and the like about what handball or what offside means :S
Post by nextgenref on Jul 20, 2010 14:35:31 GMT 10
though there was librarys 40 yrs ago and im sure there would be documents that could be found there reguard the LOTG at the time. and yes interpretations are different or opinions of referes, but they dont go as far as for some refs the opinion is no offsides from GK and for other the opinion is there is offsides for GK, often reading the LOTG helps players to understand refs decisions that are in the opinion or as some like to say ITOOTR, best example is hand ball but there are many more.
anyway i encourage all coaches players and anyone else involved in football to have a look at the LOTG weather it be online or in a public library/document keeper
Post by CaptainBayliner on Jul 20, 2010 15:22:02 GMT 10
NGR, Sounds like you been talking to my ol footy buddies...Here it is straight from the horses mouth. The only ever goal I scored was a header but then it was credited to the winger who claimed he scored it by bouncing it off my head
So today i'm still goalless.
Of course we respect your opinion no matter how stupid it is!
Post by CaptainBayliner on Jul 20, 2010 15:41:04 GMT 10
Here's another funny story for you. This ones true.
Continental cup is open to ALL senior sides from club level to premier state league.
Your the coach of a team playing in the contentinal cup. 5 mins before kickoff is due. No ref, no linesman. Then a guy shows up wearing thongs, boardshorts, sunglasses and bright t-shirt to ref the game. All he needed was a beach umbrella, chair and tall strawed drink. He hands the 2 linesman flags to kids that are roughly 6 years old. Both kids go stand next to each other in the same half sideline. Anytime a kid stuck his flag up practising his throw and catch the flag the ref blew his whistle. Seemed to only happen to one side as they both switched sides at halftime.
My striker was given a free kick against him for having his head in the arm of the opposition defender which swung him around like a hammer thrower.
During the whole game the ref has his head buried in a handbook. After the game I asked him what is that your reading? He exclaims "The rules"
So much for that comp being the elite senior NSW knockout comp. True story.
Needless to say we got our $500 entry fee fully refunded.
Post by nextgenref on Jul 20, 2010 19:32:29 GMT 10
lol thats a good one, i guess if the competition is open to ALL senior (reguardless of skill lvl) teams it may also be open to ALL ppl who wanna ref (reguardless of knowledge of LOTG) that reminds me of a standup done by billy connolly where he talks about his pilot who turned up in t shirt shorts and thongs (great laugh if your into comedy)
Post by CaptainBayliner on Jul 20, 2010 23:13:27 GMT 10
NGR, I'd of glady forked over that 500 bucks to a ref like yourself with your enthusiasm to administer the match. Times have changed since back then. Stick at it matey and you never know just what the future holds. Refs are in short supply nowdays especially good ones.
Best of luck for the future. I really like your enthusiasm. Quality refs can see themselves way past dodgy continental cup matches.
Of course we respect your opinion no matter how stupid it is!