Post by origgiddyup on Jul 31, 2010 8:50:50 GMT 10
________________________________________ --mmm-things need to be looked at from the grassroots up-not saying overnight-as obviously needs a lot of money!
But the adminstration of football in this country needs to be looked at-not all the goverment money just given mainly to socceroos and a league-needs to start at the grassroots- things arent set up right-
we have too many clubs-too many grounds-and too many divisions here!!
overseas- clubs share grounds-the grounds and facilities improve -because funds coming in from more than one club-
they have more teams-but in less divsions -6 team division is crazy!!!
should be minium 10-12 in division 1!!!
the standard will improve more-
a' league last team should be relegated and play offs from all of oz for promotion up-some of the rich clubs like marconi stallions etc with extra fundind and backing might gain an opportunity to move to the a'league-very interesting for everyone-bigger crowds in playoff games-!!
facilities will improve!!
we have great stadiums and grounds that hardly get used-go to homebush etc-there are grounds there that a vacant for three quarter of the year-and they are designed to handle the wet weather etc!!!
I could go on and on-
shame johnny warren is no longer with us R.I.P. johnny!
FFA now have a national plan for youth development, we have more youth academies around than ever before. This year saw the start of Project 22 while still maintaining the JDP squads at FNSW. This is all a great improvement.
A Father of a current Socceroo who is a very good judge has been watching some youth Football matches this year and keeps saying that the coaching, skill level and passing games being played by our youth is superior the when his son played. He has been very impressed with the standard of our youth players and thinks we have an good future as a footballing nation.
How will the standard improve by have more teams 10-12 in Div 1? Kids improve by playing in competitive games not being hammered by the stronger teams.
Post by creepydefender on Aug 6, 2010 15:25:13 GMT 10
I think you will find also if you cut the number of grounds down (comment too many grounds) we will not have enough!! imagine letting grounds go to other codes then watching the code expand and have even more players for less grounds!
I agree with piggy. In our junior comps there is too big of a gap between the top two teams and the bottom two teams as it is now. Making the comp bigger will only make it a bigger gap and the number of games where there is no real winner will increase. As it stands now we get somewhere between 14 to 18 games in a season. 8 to 10 teams is ideal. Even if we did get more weeks to play our games, I’d rather an 8 team comp with more competitive games all be it that some teams play each other more often.
Lets not forget that not all kids will play for the Socceroos one day. Many kids play for the fun of it and we still need the division 5s and 6s.
Top tear football in Aus is a different story to the ones in Europe. We don’t have the population and the funding here to run our football the way it is done there. Maybe in a decade or two when there is more interest and income. I.e we regularly get 30,000+ spectators in our a-league games
As for elite youth development. I also think we are heading the right direction but there is plenty of room for improvement.
Academies play a big role in developing our junior and youth players. Some of them are in it for the money but most are there for the good of the game, either way they are doing the game a service.
Our youth league clubs also play a big role but there are fundamental flaws in the way our elite youth competitions are organised and run. The clubs are graded/promoted/demoted based on the performance of their senior teams and not youth teams which is the way it should be. The focus for the youth teams is development and not winning. Most of the top tear clubs have semi professional players which need to be funded. Where does the money come from? Registration fees for youth teams and sponsors. Without going to too much details, there is more pressure on clubs to fund their senior players than select and develop the best players for their youth teams.
Another major flaw is the way P22 is implemented. In itself P22 is a fantastic idea. All P22 teams are managed by FNSW. Some of them compete in the elite youth competitions organised by FNSW for clubs. See the conflict of interest? The rules for these competitions are set by FNSW (which they have a team in). An example of the conflict of interest here is that no club is allowed to have trials to pick players until after P22 trials. Now FNSW makes up for this by putting their teams in higher age groups. I don’t think FSW has taken advantage of their control in our youth football but IMO they will be better off to work with and support our academies and elite youth clubs rather than “become a football club/academy”. In other words manage, organise, regulate, monitor but leave the development to the clubs and the academies.
Anyway I’m getting carried away and off the topic here. I think our football is going in a much better direction than it was a generation ago. Can we reproduce the likes of Cahil, Kewel and Scharzer? It will be much harder to do so the way they became stars due to new FIFA regulations but there are other ways.
Post by origgiddyup on Aug 6, 2010 20:10:56 GMT 10
some interseting comments and good ones-
I dont agree with small amount of teams and having many divisions
and being more competive to some extent-but for example-
u15 div1- which is an eight team comp-two teams in this division were promoted from last year-they are currently running in 2 and 4 spots on the ladder-and the team that is running fourth where promoted from div3 last year-
if anything the lower divisions might get weeker ,but given time the higher divisions will improve more-for e.g if you have a kid that is currently in a team in div 4- and he is a good player-he probaly wants to play at a higher level so he will either move to another club with higher division teams!even if it is one of the lower teams in div 1-given time the comp will even out even more!!!
at the moment there are plenty of young guys playing state premier league who are definately good enough to be in a' league but there arent enough teams and spots for them on the lists!!
the main reason players go to europe is the coaching the facilities and things like training more often-playing more often-against better players and they improve more quickly!!!
I think the a'league should have reserve teams -like in uk etc so that players dont sit on the bench week in week out -they get game time!!so important--
Joeys is on the mark. Each association and definitely Granville now that they own PCYC should have a professional dimension by having an academy team in each age group in the park competition to give players something to strive for and skills training availability to progress to Super and Premier Youth comps. Proper people with the right credentials though, not the usual flakes, cronies and relations. People who know the game like Basha.
by having an academy team in each age group in the park competition to give players something to strive for and skills training availability to progress to Super and Premier Youth comps
What a surprise, I disagree. What would be the point in putting a "best of team" into the "park" competition? That is what it would become !! If they didn't win, then everyone would be saying "what a waste of time" & if they did win then everybody would say "so they should".
You did not mention Div 1 Youth League. Why not enter a team in that competition? Overall the standard is better than Div 1 association football & would be a much better way of introducing the lads to what is expected if they want to progress further.
Post by Offda Crossbar on Aug 20, 2010 11:19:08 GMT 10
Origgiddyup - I'll answer for Happy - Yes they do train in age groups and some of these boys have gone into FNSW State teams! I know for a fact cos I coached 2 of these boys in last year's State Titles. Bash recommended them & I selected them into the squad. I haven't seen them train in the 'development' squad but I do know Bash personally & he's very astute and knows the game well.
Having started my rep's coaching with Granville back in 2000, I was sad to see them fold only 3 years later & agree that they get on board with PCYC as the 'development pathway' is back! Oh & by the way Happy - I know you were probably making a general statement, but is possible to be credentialed & be some-one's "relative" (so I'm not sure if I'm the 'usual' one)