Snail - going back to your original idea about training referees for violent outbursts is really not practical. I have referee'd for about 16 years now and have really only had to walk about 3 or 4 coaches in that whole time and of those most were from lower division teams who's coach thinks that they are playing world cup games in div 6.
From my experience - most div 1, 2 & 3 coaches tend to be concentrating on their kids not playing properly than referees making mistakes, in the general scheme of things.
I did my course in Granville but referee in another district as PL is played on Sundays but in this district, referees are put out with seniors for trial games (on half pay + a drink, as it usually hot pre season) so that it kills 2 birds with one stone - trials get referees and referees get experience without the pressure of competition.
When bringing through referees it is hard because most of the time it gets easy after season 3. Just keeping the young kids until then is the issue.
Redcard, thanks for the feedback from one who's in the middle. When I mentioned "exposure to aggression/viloent behavior" I wasn't meaning extream levels, which I think you can never be prepared for when you experience it for the first time anyway. I was pretty much, without actually saying it, speaking about the young junior Refs that leave after their first taste of "scary" behavior. If the GDSFA is to grow Refs the grass roots needs to be properly trained and prepared for what they might be exposed to so when they cop it from the idiots they take confidence from their training and deal with the idiots confidently.
I think I know what you are saying both of you but unfortunately I don't think there is anything that can prepare a teenager to be be confronted with irate parents or adults unless unfortunately they have grown up in an abusive household. The concept of adults approaching minors and abusing them when they do not know the laws of the game themselves is sad but also bemusing because they are only showing themselves up for being the ignoramuses that they are. Perhaps what we should do is have all adults banned from attending kid's sport.
i just watched an O45 game this weekend, were the ref was a young adult. at least 3 red cards should had been given (one to a infuriate spectator) at the break he was in such a distress... (lucky 2nd half end with no incidents), poor fella. But the whole thing was a circus, backs shouting ‘offside’ when they knew it weren’t, any ball in the area shouting ‘handball’ as soon as the opponent try to controlled. Where is the fair play? Who would like to ref with this endemic un-sportsman attitude?
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Answer -there is not enough-all div 1 games from 16-up should have refs and linesman no ifs no buts!
I have seen this sort of comment in many threads on hear, and it disappoints me that some people believe that it is their god given right to have a full set of three match officials at every single one of their games, based on a division or age. It’s true that higher division games get priority in our assignments, but none the less it doesn’t matter if your 21/1s or 12/4s be appreciative of the all your match officials when you are lucky enough to get them, and never should you expect that your team will be assigned a match official. A referee is a privilege not a right
There where 63 refs in the first course this year of which I believe 62 are going "live" and there are now 51 on the current course being held at North Rocks.
agree with nextgen that it is a privilege rather than a right. What's the point of giving a Div 1 team a ref if the ref available is not up to the level or standard of Div 1, everyone will end up losers then.
At the beginning of the year clubs put in a field allocation request, at our club we do it to maximise the chance of getting a ref however we realise that due to the vagaries of the draw what we request is not necessarily what comes out and we try and explain that to our teams, especially the seniors. Sometimes we miss out sometimes we do well. but again it comes down to having the right level ref to do a game.
referees have certain levels and depending on the game depends on the level that the ref needs to be. So there is no point in putting a ref on a game that they are not qualified to do otherwise it could end up in trouble.
last weekend his nib's did two junior centres and then prem lines in the afternoon with about a 20 minute break between the end of the second junior centre and the Prem res game and about another 15 between res and 1sts. But he is not playing this year so he will get more games. As a general rule if a ref is playing they might do a centre, have a break, play and then as a junior do a couple of lines all at the same park. It is pretty hard to get someone to go to a stand alone game
Post by wild horse on May 11, 2011 16:49:19 GMT 10
The only reason I ask is because we had three junior games in a row on the weekend and didnt recieve a ref for any. Not critising in any way, I just thought it was a good opportunity for a young ref to get consecutive games in a short time.
Wildhorse - that usually depends on availability of the referee and their location (and means to get to a field). Seniors can drive whereas juniors depend on their parents and maybe if the ground is close enough, they can walk, ride, etc.
Last Sunday I did 4 back to back games (9am, 11am, 1pm & 3pm) - 2 lines and 2 centres but we had a young fella in the u21's who played in the first game but then hung around and did 3 lines for us. This helps out heaps but it depends on how draws fall and where player/referees are situated.
Post by origgiddyup on May 11, 2011 19:58:37 GMT 10
years ago there was so many behind the play incidents, now with cameras and I know they have like 27 cameras it has dropped considerably.
i would say that every team has someone,who has a video camera ,or parents have one or something. I tell you if most teams filmed there games-I guarantee players and officials would think twice before losing the plot!
plus you go to tribunal the evidence is there in black and white!color I mean lol!
Post by snailspace on May 11, 2011 21:07:56 GMT 10
Orig, there might be a legal issue there, sure they can film it but can it be used as evidence to convict someone, possibly not. But then again if it was advertised at the field that the game was being filmed and the association santioned it, maybe that can be used.