don't forget there were the clubs who either didn't understand the new system or chose to ignore it. We started from scratch on Tuesday night and then looked at where teams played last year and formulated the divisions around that. Given also the number of teams that have gone from last years Senior 1-3's to prem's or Super League Div 5-8 was a bit tricky but after that fell into place fairly easily
I've got no doubt it would have been tricky, and Poppy did an amazing job in the first place thats not what gets me. What gets me is the bylaw should be followed either ALL of the time OR NONE of the time, not only when it suits. Are we grading or arranging?
Should add I have no problem at all with the Club or even clubs that were involved just the bylaw.
yeah well supposedly there are new by-laws floating about but they haven't been voted on by clubs yet. Then again if I remember rightly the Board can just impose them without a vote from the clubs.
As to that particular one well it would have been easier if we could have had some 8 team comps but the direction from the board was all 10 team comps, but then I notice the u14 boys and U16 boys are both 8 team comps
Post by soccernuter on Mar 12, 2012 17:26:50 GMT 10
do tell refsdad The board can do as they please the appeals are a waste of the clubs money as there is no hearing as in the past you don't get to put your case. The board just looks at the appeal have a laugh and bank the money they don't even have to give you are reason as to why. So therefore as in my case your team has a great 2011 season, finish 6th in division 2 winning 6 games -3 goal diff and 6 players don't even bother come back. Then you get that great news you are now in div 1 (ladies premier league) what do you do?? How do you explain this to those ladies who were good enough to come back? Give us your $290 and by the way one small problem if you think last year was hard we are in premier league. (Great to be a coach isn’t) If you are interested have a look at the under 16 boys comp all 8 team comps this is how AAL should be in my opinion. I have been coaching ladies football for 11 years now and in all that time the AAL1 has always been an 8 Team comp. But not this year we must have a premier league (have keep up with the boys supper league) At what cost who cares if we have to dig down as low as 6 place to fill this comp up real premier league comp this is going to be .I may be wrong because I don’t get any reasons from the board and don’t get to attend an appeal the 2 teams coming up from div 2 is the 4th and 6th place who Knows what happen to teams 1st 2nd 3rd 5th one thing I know they are not up in premier league. Sorry to have such a long pregnant dog but this appears to be the only place I can vent my spleen. I was hoping to have my pregnant dog at the appeal but that’s not to be.
I concur, I bet there are a lot of people now who wished that clubs had voted for no appeals at the meeting month so that clubs would not have to waste their money needlessly. There was no indication at the meeting that only the board would hear/look at the appeals. Therefore as in years gone by clubs unfortunately thought they would have the chance to have their appeals heard by their peers,
Just another indication that the board doesn't care about community football other than as a cash cow to support the Premier League Club and so they can all look full of self importance on game days at Melita. But seeing as though the low numbers are blowing a hole in the proposed budget they have to do something. The not printing individual cards is going to save at least $60,000 which no doubt will be swallowed up by Parramatta FC . Granted though they have attempted to put on Grass Roots training courses which unfortunately haven't been supported very well.
Post by apostropheman on Mar 13, 2012 9:45:09 GMT 10
Libellous nonsense, refsdad! GDSFA Bylaws Part 2 clause 2(d), unchanged for many, many years. Note that the Board offered no appeals, in which case no income from the 'cash cow' for the business purchased by the MC at the time, which included your good self.
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true there was a motion which was defeated at the last GM, however for as many years as I can remember the appeals were heard by a committee of clubs not the MC as it was then, so my question is why did the same not happen again this year. And the Assn is using the clubs and players as the cash cow.
When the MC voted at the time to purchase Parra FC it was envisaged that sponsorship would be raised to cover the costs of Parra FC however it seems that sponsorship still hasn't been raised which is puzzling. Also if the Assn is going to go with this idea of laminated sheets instead of individual players cards the savings should be returned to the players and mum's and dad's of the assn, not used elsewhere. Just because the idea works at SYL, PYL and SL level doesn't mean it will work at club level.
Post by soccernuter on Mar 13, 2012 17:42:45 GMT 10
refsdad it's too late for grading this year but I hope that the clubs learn from this and realise that the way these appeals have been done the clubs have lost their right of procedural fairness and natural Justas The fix is simple call a special general meeting and get the Bylaws changed back to what they were before the new constitution was put in place. This is the only way to get a fair appeal process in place for all the clubs
soccernuter, I know the team you are talking about and I agree 100% with you. I can tell you that from my knowledge, the team that ran 1st no longer exists, 2nd has gone to the new 21/1's comp, 3rd has gone to 21/1's and 5th no longer exists and has mixed in with a lower Div team.
Post by soccernuter on Mar 14, 2012 17:09:00 GMT 10
Do tell I have done all I can do what will be will be our girls will do their best. my focus is now on booking our end of season accommodations where we will be represent Granville at the champions' of champions. I know but they can't kill my dreams.
Post by apostropheman on Mar 16, 2012 8:31:38 GMT 10
soccernuter and refsdad...
Never let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory, eh?
The desire to have 10-team competitions was put by the Competition Review sub-committee (entirely club representatives but chaired by a Director), endorsed by the Board and discussed without any dissention at the 2011 AGM.
The Grading Review Committees (entirely club representatives but chaired by a Director) had every opportunity to restructure the competitions as they saw fit.
The appeal panel (entirely Directors but with some advice from administration) considered the evidence and arguments before it for 24 appeals and saw fit to uphold 12, dismiss 12. For the avoidance of confusion, the appeal panel agreed with the appealing clubs in 50% of cases that the Grading Review Committees had got it wrong.
All in all, when fully cogniscent of the facts and considered objectively, it would be a very long bow to claim that procedural fairness and natural justice were not afforded by the Board and that it was treated as a fund-raising exercise.
good to hear, and as for the number we got wrong, well on theninformation we had on hand and the fact that that 1 club was allowed to put in sheets with no names and 1 didn't even put in any sheets but now has teams in the comp it makes a mockery of the Assn rules and those clubs that do do the right thing
Couldn't agree more. That's why we have fines - when procedures aren't followed to the detriment of others.
I understand wanting to proceed with the miserable information you are given, to try and get the grading done, and done right in an extremely tight time frame, so why aren't the clubs that don't provide the info in the right form at the right time fined?