Post by CaptainBayliner on Sept 11, 2012 11:55:18 GMT 10
I think they should go down to SL.
2 years with the wooden spoon in first grade. This year bottom of the club championship.
Plus the cost to run a NSWPL side is too much of a drain on resources including money which the association players are paying for. From memory (don't quote me) but I think 2011 GDSFA went into the red by something like 57k. I would like to know this years balance sheet. Basically are they drowning in debt still or has the added cost to rego fees sorted this?
Parra FC can still develope good players in super league at a much reduced cost and alleviate the rego fees for association players. Rebuild their youth sides, better coaching and work on a business model that would float Parra FC in the black without the drain on resources and cash.
There will be a club or possibly clubs that will need to make way for central coast mariners and any other club entering NSWPL next season with the new model being constructed by FNSW. Parra FC ticked the relegation box without doubt but depending on the criteria and a few other factors it's anyones guess what will happen.
I have heard rumour that another NSWPL club has gone over the red barrier of 100k debt.
Anyway time will tell as October 8th will be when FNSW announces the makeup of next seasons NSWPL competition.
My humble opinion for what it's worth.
Of course we respect your opinion no matter how stupid it is!
I can't see the support coming in even with super league as there are way too many fly byers involved who come and go as they please. Only a few who are really committed. Needs to be some merging and consolidation to strengthen administration up as well. It's tough for those who put in the hard yards behind the scenes but that's what needs to happen.
Post by apostropheman on Sept 11, 2012 21:27:58 GMT 10
Gesus...you've struck a chord with me.
From the outer (now)...until we become completely inclusive and have a clear and unashamedly biassed approach to providing a pathway for Association players, Parramatta FC will be seen as an entity separate to GDSFA...just ask the average Mum and Dad at the local park on Saturday morning!
As a starting point, we have an unrepeatable opportunity to engage with GDSFA's grass roots by offering the twenty thirteen Under 18s (Premier or Super) Youth League team positions to our own Auburn District Under 17/1 team...2011 GDSFA 16/1 Minor Premiers and Grand Champions, State Cup & Champion of Champions victors and ditto for the '2012' season so far. The only hurdle that has to be overcome is the financial contribution (ie, registration fees). Readers may be surprised to know that a trust fund was established last season to cater for such circumstances, with two 2012-resigned Directors' 2011 honoraria - and their pro-rata amounts to follow - being donated for that very purpose...hardship. Perhaps others may follow suit, rather than pocketing their allocation and lodging a claim for more over and above?
If we let this oportunity go by, we are paying a disservice to those who deserve our support...our members and the GDSFA as a whole.
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With Parramatta Fc dropping down to super league it is an excellent chance for our association to do what is right. To provide pathways for the kids in our association. im sick of loosing kids to other Super league organisations when we suppose to own Parramatta FC.
As we are all aware there is not much loyalty in the game. ill be interested to see how many first graders will stay when the dropp takes place. Since most expenses goes on paying players i have a solution.
Dont pay the first graders. in our premier league my freind tony was able to get a group of players together that dont get paid and play attractive football. add a few more players from the rest of the association premier league teams and you will have a quality team that can compete.
our under 17 that have not lost a game in two years can be the 18 next year add a few more players from with in the association and problem solved. Take sir alex as coach.
parramatta Fc players should be 100% of players from our association. i think then and only then people and clubs will feel that Parramatta FC belongs to us. Crowds will increase and clubs will be actively involved.
I have raised the issue of pathways at the GMs and the response i received was that there is a 5 year plan.... The players from the association who turn up are not good enough... What disappointing me is that the delegates from the clubs who are there don't seem to be concerned at all about the lack of REAL pathway. By my calculations over $100,000 of the association money went into Parra FC last year. What did the associations receive in return?
Where is this "5 year plan" documented? We will be into the fourth year of the "5 year plan" next season. Lets see how many Granville players we will get in our junior teams. Last and this year would we had perfect opportunities to pick up as many Granville junior player as possible and develop them. Who cares if they loose a lot more games than they win. There was no championship points involved for juniors. Next year will be the same, as long as the seniors are kept in Elite 1 or 2 (PL or SL) then juniors can not be dropped any lower than Elite 2. Focus on developing Granville players rather than winning games. The top players who go and trial out of the area will come back and the standard will rise.
Form next year the youth leagues will run from U12s to U15s. Here is my suggestion. Advertise and (and enforce) GDSFA players ONLY for the U12 in the twenty thirteen season. And for the twenty fourteen season U12 and U13 will be GDSFA only. By 2016 our entire youth teams will be GDSFA players. If you want to give your association players pathways you need to be fully committed to it.
Henry please the best team u could pick from the association prems would not compete at that level nor would they b close but i do agree the 17s aurburn must b a very good side nd there must b 5 or 6 of them that could play at that level i do hope pfc look at them as a part of the future
I agree with GC. With his nibs doing State League lines of a Sunday this year I have had the chance to see Div 1 & 2 and Super League, I think Rydalmere and Auburn would hold their own mid table Div 1 and probably do very well in Div 2. Super is a step up though and you would need to combine both squads along with a few others from other clubs to do any good in Super. To be honest even the Auburn 17's would probably struggle in Prems, and would need a stiffening of players that have played at that level to really have a chance, just my 2 bob's worth
Post by CaptainBayliner on Sept 12, 2012 17:35:56 GMT 10
Isn't this what rage and brumbies are supposedly for? A pathway to develope association players?
I know you can't take too much from pre-season games but Rydalmere FC played super league outfit mcarthur rams and were all over them first half and leading 2-1. Then second half the first graders had to leave to attend a party and they ended up going down 3-2. RFC also played bankstown berries in the waratah cup and played well holding their own against this years SL grand finalists. I reckon RFC could hold mid-table super league.
The Auburn 17 lads should at least be being looked at by brumbies and rage. But they are as clueless as each other. I'd be looking elsewhere for a better future for talent.
The key really is development by a good coach. Can't say i've seen any at Parra FC, rage or brumbies.
Isn't this what rage and brumbies are supposedly for? A pathway to develope association players?
Do they get association money to do it?
GDSFA/Parra FC announced that they are in partnership with rage/brumbies for a pathway to develope association players then simply do it or don't make such rubbish announcedments. Otherwise it is just all hot air and grandstanding to make association players feel better about having dollars ripped from their pocket to satisfy the ego's of the clueless.
Pretty much the money ripped from association players to pay the Parra FC first grade has amounted to 2 wooden spoons they can lash together to make a catamaran and sail into super league next year.
Gee capt your a tough marker parras coach is highly regarded by other top level coaches nd has coached a national team but he is not good enuf for parra
If your talking about sterrey the guy is a raging fruitcake. I heard plenty of complaints about sterrey from their first graders via private conversations. Even kabsy couldn't wait to get out of Parra and fought to do so for 3 weeks. He was asking to come to another NSWPL club but the wanderers offer came up just before, either way he was out of there as fast as he could go.
Parra Showed no results under sterrey until the marconi coach came along.
Im not sure how lee carries on but this is top level football nd players are getting paid maybe the 1s u spoke to arnt up to it. Does a coach like bellamy not carry on like a fruitcake and yes he does get results but he also has the cattle and tbe players that can cope with critasizim
"The key really is development by a good coach. Can't say i've seen any at Parra FC, rage or brumbies"
Yes captain that is the real problem. The grim reality is that there is no coaching acumen in the granville association that fits the bill and develops players ready for a reasonable world standard of football which is what they should be aiming for. If granville were serious they would have a straight aim at getting committed coaches in and developing them properly. The reality is that there is only lipservice and BS that is attached to this very notion. Nobody is very serious about this problem but there is plenty of conjecture about it all!
Captain. That my point. If we get the best of rydalmere Fc , auburn, toongabbie , kellyville , auburn Fc etc.. We will have a team that can compete in super league that are from the association and not players that are from everywhere except Granville assoc. don't pay them give them a free sausage and with the 100k we save we can reduce the fees for our youth league that should be 100% of players from the association.
Worse Case scenario we finish last. It won't happen as our association has very talented players.
Post by CaptainBayliner on Sept 13, 2012 13:09:21 GMT 10
The players you reckon were not perhaps up to it have played professionally or have played at a-league NYL/a-league level so your point in that respect is moot. Not sure where you have heard he has the respect of his peers because i've heard from his peers "He couldn't coach two fly's to party on cow manure" . And i've cleaned that up for the benefit of the forumites but you get my guist
Agreed. If the coach isn't up to developing players and selects those already because of their C.V. then they are not a good coach. This is evident at trials and selection time. I've seen plenty of trials over the last few years and it's not uncommon for better players to be culled in favour of lessor players purely based on their C.V. This is why rage/brumbies/pfc suck when the results are tallied.
I agree that the teams/players you speak of would be very competitive at SL level. Some very talented lads in the granville association. Some have international experience and some NSWPL, NSWSL experience. But the reality is Parra FC has been nothing more than a huge party and ego trip without substance or truth at the expense of the association players pocket and their results reflect this by 2 consecutive wooden spoons and bottoming out on the club championship. If development was working then we would have seen an upward trend not downward. Sadly politics has heavily weighed Parra FC into a deprecated club.
"IF" Parra FC find themselves in Super League next year the "so called partnership" and "pathway" with rage and brumbies will be stretched as they will be competing for the same objective. Maybe that's not such a bad thing from the players point of view. Only time will tell.
October 8th is when we will know the outcome. Then hopefully common sense prevails.