Post by massothegamer on Jul 12, 2012 14:41:54 GMT 10
It seems that the Assn is keeping it's usual standards high, last year they chase Auburn District all the way to FFA at the association club's expense, this year Merrylands have had various incidents including a young ref being forced to shut himself in the referees room while players yelled abuse at him, to say nothing of the incident at Greystanes, and their teams are still in the comp, but hey the chairman of the GPT says he wants to kick whole clubs, well their senior components out if there are incidents but the same Merrylands team has been involved in 2 instances at this stage but they are still there. Then there are other merrylands teams who seem to have been involved in incidents including their U16 girls team as well as Prems, but no sign of three strikes.
Thene there is the other Auburn club who have had teams involved with field invasions, what happens there, the teams get to replay the games.
Plus there is the Parramatta City U21 team who three years in a row are involved in unsavoury incidents but what happens, again, they get exonerated
so I have to ask, where is the justice, last year Auburn District get thrown to the wolves but this year other clubs are treated with kid gloves, I reckon Auburn District have every right to take the association to court for villification and harrassment
This is more of an issue with the suspension guidelines laid down by Granville and adopted/approved by the clubs some years ago, whereby the penalty for 'words' is generally more severe than physical foul play or violent coduct.
The suspension guidelines need to be urgently revised and updated for twenty thirteen.
As a referee, I can say I have (luckily) never been physically assaulted. Pity I can't say the same re verball abuse. But at the end of the day, I can still get in my car and drive home and if I feel it necessary, lodge an incident report.
This however leads to the next issue, lack of action by Granville on referee incident reports. EG last year, I had to stop a game until such time as a spectator was physically removed the field who was verbally threatening to attack me after the game, in the car park, etc. He got removed, I finished the game and nothing happenned. I lodged a report - and I am still waiting to hear anything about my report.
Well said Masso...I started a thread in May about Granville to take a stance....and it dies a quiet death....why because the do gooders like to think the the world is round.....Mate we have numerous teams, offending numerous times and Granville do nothing. But we must prtoect these guys because they may appeal.....
Oh please get rid of them...they are the same clubs, players, coaches and specatators and when teams wont play another because they have no officials......say no more.
But if little Johnny says f@rk twice...4 weeks.......Granville need a flush out....any wonder they dont update the judiciary results anymore
Post by massothegamer on Jul 12, 2012 20:05:51 GMT 10
"posting under an alias"
you crack me up, everybody on here is using an alias. I probably know 1 person on here and could probably give a shake on 1 or 2 others but the rest I have no idea, and don't want to.
clean up thing's well yeah, let's start by treating all team's and club's and players as equals. And clubs growing some ball's and dealing with their problem players themselves. Hat's off to Auburn District who punted a player for 20 weeks for threatening a referee, but I don't see any other club's doing the same, and like I said team's from Merrylands and Parramatta City get a free ride to do as they like, all gets swept under the carpet. Parramatta City 21's have been involved in incidents 3 years in a row and still they are in the comp,
masso, not everyone on here is posting under an alias....But if I was going to have a shot at someone or post something against the association I would not do so under an alias. That is all I am saying.
OKO my question referred to teams that had been removed by the association and then the club has not appealed. My club has also removed teams and also refused to register teams after contacting previous clubs for reports.
When a club removes a team it should be applauded but I don't think it represent the zero tolerance we are after from the association.
It's not an alias if you read the prems thread. But I'm not on hear having a shot at people or the association or trying stir propblems. I too would like to see certain issues raised and I do so through my club which I am committee member.
The point I was also trying to make is that we tried to introduce zero tolerance and I voted in favour at the GM when it was proposed. The reality is that you can not take peoples right to appeal.
Post by massothegamer on Jul 12, 2012 22:31:08 GMT 10
good to see we agree on one thing, trouble is for too long Granville never crossed their t's or dotted the i's which meant that whenever things went to the now defunct Sydney branch the association was embarrassed as case after case was overturned. I also represented my club at the time Zero Tolerance was brought in and remember that every club voted for it and was in favour until such time as it affected them, IIRC it lasted all of 3 weeks and then one of the clubs who suggested it was one of the first to appeal.
The carrying on's at GDSFA has meant that I gave up being on my club committee because I couldn't believe the apathy of some people. I thought that when the current director of the GPT, with his background, would rectify things but it seems as i said earlier that some clubs seem to live a charmed life while others are hounded relentlessly.
kellyville got attacked in the COC players jumped the fence and attacked our supporters both teams got kicked out and we didnt appeal because we know its a joke. i think its time for a split association but i think they should keep auburn joeys and toonie in the prems come
This is my opinion and i don't give a toss what you think
Post by massothegamer on Jul 13, 2012 9:25:07 GMT 10
what's splitting the association over what happened at CofC got to do with it. You wouldn't have been chased by someone from Granville at CofC.
What i am trying to get across is that some clubs get persecuted by Granville while others seem to be protected. Why did the two former director's spend so much of the associations money at FNSW and FFA against Aub D but leave the association wide open to legal action if Auburn were so inclined. Given the PC huggy feely types around these days I reckon if Auburn could show that they were getting hammered while other clubs are getting let off for similar if not worse behaviour that the association would be hammered if they would ever taken to court.
Post by CaptainBayliner on Jul 13, 2012 14:02:44 GMT 10
The justice would be if every person who complains about referees takes up the whistle and every person that complains about how the association is run sticks their hand up for the job come voting time.
Of course we respect your opinion no matter how stupid it is!
Ah yes..... and you blokes never criticise coaches or players?
Do those particular groups dismiss your criticisms with "well, why don't you go and become a coach or player yourself?"
It just annoys me that this is set up as a forum for people to air and exchange their views about Granville soccer and to each criticism comes the same old cry about "do it yourself". Well, many of us do contribute in different ways...though it may not be the same way as you. The team I coach sometimes criticises my coaching.... I don't spit the dummy and suggest that they should take over. I listen to it and from there either try to explain why I've done it a certain way or I accept the criticism and change it.
Do you ever criticise our politicians or their decisions? Have you felt obliged to run for politics because you disagreed with them?
thought about running for council once but I'm not in real estate so would be pretty hard to get a show in Auburn LGA
As a club secretary I am grateful for the people that do step up to be coaches and managers but it's the people who tend to loose sight of the fact that we are playing park football and get carried away that annoy me, and especially those that loose it with the junior ref's who are still learning, now they are the ones that really annoy me, especially when they think they know the rules but really don't have a clue.
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Post by CaptainBayliner on Jul 13, 2012 21:38:02 GMT 10
As a player I sometimes scratched my head at coaches decisions. Until I became a coach myself.
As a player I use to scratch my head at some refs decisions until I actually reffed some games myself.
The bottomline is until your in their boots, refs outfit, comittee position you will never see both sides of coin and what they have to work with. It is very easy to be an armchair critic without having to take on the responsibilities of actually doing the job.
The forum is a good place to express ones opinions but often I wonder if the person who has the gripe and is expressing their opinion really has any idea what is involved with the job at hand. Any bozo can criticize. You don't need any intelligence to post rubbish.
What does make is a difference is those with experience and the balls to take on the job and make a difference. This is the difference between wheat and chauff.
What is needed is people that can be neutral, objective, positive and people that believe they can make a positive difference. Any fool can be a critic. This is what is needed. Not more armchair critics.
However I respect those that are willing to bring up the subject via forum post. The question is do they have the nouse to backup their post?